tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427538608110635294.post1466681779882089168..comments2023-08-09T03:21:13.354-05:00Comments on Letters from Gehenna: The World on a Slant: The Whole StoryDw3t-Hthrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11584245136407694660noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427538608110635294.post-91759054491801574732009-08-21T21:28:31.874-05:002009-08-21T21:28:31.874-05:00The issue as I see it is that a lot of women don&#...The issue as I see it is that a lot of women don't have the axiom of inherent value, because our culture doesn't believe it needs to be installed in women.<br /><br />I know I went through a partly conscious process at some point, maybe in my late teens, and it was a leap of faith that if I had that axiom, I'd be as much me as when I didn't, and that I wouldn't need to ask anyone else's permission to install it, because otherwise some kind of logical paradox would result. <br /><br />Maybe gods are exempt from that paradox; I don't have any, so I had to do it alone.Aqua, of the Questionershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03729823323134474391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427538608110635294.post-4167976512008915472009-08-20T19:54:36.353-05:002009-08-20T19:54:36.353-05:00Axioms are the sort of thing I think it's usef...Axioms are the sort of thing I think it's useful to ask a god for. Inside of the noggin, and ritually appropriate, so it's in the category of "that can work".<br /><br />Don't know if that seems reasonable to you -- it almost can't, absent said axiom -- but it's not, in my experience, an impractical thing to try.Graydonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09839374676813519438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427538608110635294.post-81441606745391775612009-08-20T14:02:34.057-05:002009-08-20T14:02:34.057-05:00That is, in fact, one of many problems, yes.That is, in fact, one of many problems, yes.Dw3t-Hthrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11584245136407694660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427538608110635294.post-24441797163231214612009-08-20T10:38:45.494-05:002009-08-20T10:38:45.494-05:00It occurs to me that you're completely missing...It occurs to me that you're completely missing -- at least as it applies to you -- the axiom of inherent value. (The idea that you are valuable for yourself, period, end of sentence, full stop. This is not a function of context, social-or-other, how other people behave, or any sort of gift or granting. It just IS.)<br /><br />That would rather fit with the history you've recounted AND explain why recognizing that the rapacious fellow is a human being is dangerous; you don't have the basis to think of him as both human and wrong without great effort.<br /><br />Having that piece missing, that axiom that you are valuable for no other cause than existing, tends to make defending borders of self infinitely fractal; everything is a special case, with its own requirements of understanding and justification and the cost of creating same. Resolving events on that basis is possible but really expensive and arbitrarily time-consuming.<br /><br />If you can, instead, or in addition to, introduce the axiom of inherent value, I think it's possible that your understanding of those events will alter into a more manageable form.Graydonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09839374676813519438noreply@blogger.com