tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427538608110635294.post2622528491552768990..comments2023-08-09T03:21:13.354-05:00Comments on Letters from Gehenna: The World on a Slant: In the Aftermath of Prop 8: Please Correct Your Fucking IgnoranceDw3t-Hthrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11584245136407694660noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427538608110635294.post-32498049351307815202009-05-29T11:38:20.354-05:002009-05-29T11:38:20.354-05:00Something related to this came up in an offline co...Something related to this came up in an offline convo recently. I was discussing a lesbian couple that was on the skids and how broken up one was, and mentioned their children. And my convo's other half spouts out "Well, maybe this would be the perfect time for ___ to decide if she REALLY is lesbian; cause you know, she had a 'normal' marriage first---maybe she could re-examine her feelings about men." Yeah, I had to grab my chair to stay in it.<br /><br />And I think this is what all the legal wrangle is about....some folks just don't BELIEVE that anyone can be different from them, and if given opportunity, the lines will all be toed again by those 'outside the lines' types. Not. WTF is with this need to homogenize the crap out of the human race?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427538608110635294.post-57175419991590535522009-05-28T11:19:36.403-05:002009-05-28T11:19:36.403-05:00Exactly! What's so nettlesome about the entire Pr...Exactly! What's so nettlesome about the entire Proposition 8 debacle is that California had the kind of definition of marriage you and I believe is the right one.<br /><br />I agree with you that Western churches have only recently (last 1000 years or so) taken interest in marriage, and that for many people in many cultures marriage has been and is secular, social, cultural, economic, and personal without being particularly religious at all.<br /><br />Marriage laws may once have discriminated against non heteros but, as you and I would know from our shared Puritan ancestry, the discrimination wasn't particularly based in religion. And in California when the original law was overturned because it on grounds of discrimination, not religion. <br /><br />It didn't become religious until the religious backers of Proposition 8 made *their religious definition* of marriage the *legal definition* in California.<br /><br />Since I agree with you that marriage isn't inherently religious I have a serious moral problem with the way it's been hijacked in California. <br /><br />There are other, still properly non-religious unions available to Californians. I think heterosexuals who don't wish to participate in state-sanctioned religious ceremonies ought to consider them. But not because I think only what happens in church should be called "marriage." Nothing could be further from the truth -- I think *everybody* should be able to get married whether they go to church or would never consider it.<br /><br />It's just that, for the moment anyway, in California and too many other parts of the country, that's not possible.<br /><br />figleaf<br /><br />figleaffigleafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01440982008394316977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427538608110635294.post-37331604534985984542009-05-27T16:47:31.170-05:002009-05-27T16:47:31.170-05:00That comment on Figleaf's blog inspired a rather l...That comment on Figleaf's blog inspired a rather long comment of my own. Looks like I'm a cranky pagan too. :)Evehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17055554674087590194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427538608110635294.post-37877585159834412872009-05-27T16:44:10.524-05:002009-05-27T16:44:10.524-05:00Yeah, I left that comment on Figleaf's, jumped up ...Yeah, I left that comment on Figleaf's, jumped up and down a wee bit, and then wrote this entry. ;)<br /><br />Cranky pagan is cranky.Dw3t-Hthrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11584245136407694660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427538608110635294.post-45003462848327224392009-05-27T16:35:58.741-05:002009-05-27T16:35:58.741-05:00Oh, yes, exactly what you said here. Brilliantly w...Oh, yes, <I>exactly</I> what you said here. Brilliantly written.<br /><br />I came here through your similarly worded comment on Figleaf's blog. Also brilliant.Evehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17055554674087590194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427538608110635294.post-53525289689235523272009-05-27T15:21:17.411-05:002009-05-27T15:21:17.411-05:00Yes. This.Yes. This.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com